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		<title>By: 100% Disabled Vet</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>100% Disabled Vet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is really funny - the majority of the &quot;comment-ors&quot; haven&#039;t the slightest idea as to what&#039;s happening. If you&#039;d really like to know what government controlled, government directed, government funded healthcare is like, well, go visit a VA hospital anytime. if nothing more it will provide you with at least a glimpse of what&#039;s heading your way. What&#039;s even more stunning to me though is that there is not one mention in any of the comments as to whether or not this wonderful healthcare bill is CONSTITUTIONAL!! It is so obvious that none of you have ever in your life read the constitution, articles &amp; amendments let alone understand it and stand by it. Yes, it is a true shame especially since we spend billions of dollars each year on one of the poorest educational systems in the world. It&#039;s surprising in a way how so many people either will not or can not see how what&#039;s going on will be so closely similar to what the former Soviet Union had. That was better than what we have now? Please! You bunch of dummies - WHERE DOES THE GOVERNMENT GET IT&#039;S MONEY? If you can&#039;t answer that then I honestly know you way beyond a point of no return. Again, a true shame people can be such a mindless herd of sheep.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really funny &#8211; the majority of the &#8220;comment-ors&#8221; haven&#8217;t the slightest idea as to what&#8217;s happening. If you&#8217;d really like to know what government controlled, government directed, government funded healthcare is like, well, go visit a VA hospital anytime. if nothing more it will provide you with at least a glimpse of what&#8217;s heading your way. What&#8217;s even more stunning to me though is that there is not one mention in any of the comments as to whether or not this wonderful healthcare bill is CONSTITUTIONAL!! It is so obvious that none of you have ever in your life read the constitution, articles &amp; amendments let alone understand it and stand by it. Yes, it is a true shame especially since we spend billions of dollars each year on one of the poorest educational systems in the world. It&#8217;s surprising in a way how so many people either will not or can not see how what&#8217;s going on will be so closely similar to what the former Soviet Union had. That was better than what we have now? Please! You bunch of dummies &#8211; WHERE DOES THE GOVERNMENT GET IT&#8217;S MONEY? If you can&#8217;t answer that then I honestly know you way beyond a point of no return. Again, a true shame people can be such a mindless herd of sheep.</p>
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		<title>By: MRBIGMUTTS</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>MRBIGMUTTS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know what will happen when your surgeon cuts off you left testicle when he should have cut off the one on the right.Have you ever tried suing the FEDERAL government,go ask a military veteran to get that answer.STILL NO MENTION OF FRAUD REDUCTION. When drunks in NYC can call for a ambulance 3-5 times a week for a ride to the hospital to sleep off a drunk and cost us $300,000 a year(see NYPOST-07/12/09)with no fear of being arrested for scamming the system,SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG!

This Healthcare issue and immigration reform that will soon follow behind it will set off a major uprising in this country and it will all be blamed on the DEMOCRATS. These criminals will soon see a courtroom when the people retake our country in a legal and I hope a peaceful manner. You may win this battle,but you are going to lose the war.I hope the effect to all of this is that we will be seeing Pelosi/Reid ith a pooper scooper in their hands cleaning up the many turds they have thrown at the American people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know what will happen when your surgeon cuts off you left testicle when he should have cut off the one on the right.Have you ever tried suing the FEDERAL government,go ask a military veteran to get that answer.STILL NO MENTION OF FRAUD REDUCTION. When drunks in NYC can call for a ambulance 3-5 times a week for a ride to the hospital to sleep off a drunk and cost us $300,000 a year(see NYPOST-07/12/09)with no fear of being arrested for scamming the system,SOMETHING IS SERIOUSLY WRONG!</p>
<p>This Healthcare issue and immigration reform that will soon follow behind it will set off a major uprising in this country and it will all be blamed on the DEMOCRATS. These criminals will soon see a courtroom when the people retake our country in a legal and I hope a peaceful manner. You may win this battle,but you are going to lose the war.I hope the effect to all of this is that we will be seeing Pelosi/Reid ith a pooper scooper in their hands cleaning up the many turds they have thrown at the American people.</p>
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		<title>By: kentm</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>kentm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>• But instead of making such plans part of a menu that includes health savings accounts, tax breaks for individual insurance, etc., the federal government takes over and centralizes the entire health care industry.

What exactly are you talking about?... We&#039;ve just seen a process that was  completely derailed by corporate interests and in which the federal government was shown to be pretty much powerless to enact as a group changes that went against the wishes of private insurance companies. Its true that the outcome is very unfavorable, but as for the reason being that the federal government is taking over and centralizing the entire health care industry - you&#039;re in a fantasy world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>• But instead of making such plans part of a menu that includes health savings accounts, tax breaks for individual insurance, etc., the federal government takes over and centralizes the entire health care industry.</p>
<p>What exactly are you talking about?&#8230; We&#8217;ve just seen a process that was  completely derailed by corporate interests and in which the federal government was shown to be pretty much powerless to enact as a group changes that went against the wishes of private insurance companies. Its true that the outcome is very unfavorable, but as for the reason being that the federal government is taking over and centralizing the entire health care industry &#8211; you&#8217;re in a fantasy world.</p>
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		<title>By: clayton</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>clayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I voted for the ones that I knew would not get elected.  That way I could have my moaning right while not hurting the country.  My question is how many companies will drop health insurance to cut costs, and to just survive?  And does anyone know how soon all of this stuff will start effecting us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I voted for the ones that I knew would not get elected.  That way I could have my moaning right while not hurting the country.  My question is how many companies will drop health insurance to cut costs, and to just survive?  And does anyone know how soon all of this stuff will start effecting us?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Maines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Maines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 12:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is Thelma and Louise Economics for 2010. If you are in deep enough trouble, just step on the gas.

We need more creative thinking on health care, such as demonstrated by Frank Santos. Other companies are ebginning to figure this out as well, with excellent results. It is not obvious to me that a higher penalty should be levied. Nor, is it a universally held assumption that health care is right or an entitlement.

This is going to be another govenrment boon doggle.

And, we are all going to pay, one way or the other for the huge mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is Thelma and Louise Economics for 2010. If you are in deep enough trouble, just step on the gas.</p>
<p>We need more creative thinking on health care, such as demonstrated by Frank Santos. Other companies are ebginning to figure this out as well, with excellent results. It is not obvious to me that a higher penalty should be levied. Nor, is it a universally held assumption that health care is right or an entitlement.</p>
<p>This is going to be another govenrment boon doggle.</p>
<p>And, we are all going to pay, one way or the other for the huge mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: jeb</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>jeb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 07:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person who works in an emergency room/urgent care/private doc&#039;s office, I can tell you the real problem w health care is the patients!  About 75% of the patients in any of the above aren&#039;t sick and don&#039;t need to be there.  People absolultely LOVE to be sick nowadays--all for secondary gain, (days off work, narcs, other meds, attention, disability, boredom, loneliness, entertainment, need a shower or meal or warm place to rest, have nothing to do on a holiday, hypochondiasis, etc etc etc)  We have people w paper cuts come see us!  Sometimes whole families come to be entertained, all with fake complaints....   We have patients who get themselves squadded in by 911 for fake chest pain, and request a taxi home after the entertainmenter I mean evaluation.  Lots of patients like to fake chest pain so that a bunch of nurses and doctors scurry around for them....  It is all a big game.  Patients pretend to be sick and we pretend to treat them.  My current record is 10 patients in a row lying to me, but that will surely be broken...  We have patients who come in 2-3 times a week to be entertained by us.... Until patients pay out of pocket for a substantial portion if not most of every single medical intervention they receive, this &quot;something for nothing&quot; charade will continue til it collapses....   It would be hilarious if it werent bankrupting the grandkids....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person who works in an emergency room/urgent care/private doc&#8217;s office, I can tell you the real problem w health care is the patients!  About 75% of the patients in any of the above aren&#8217;t sick and don&#8217;t need to be there.  People absolultely LOVE to be sick nowadays&#8211;all for secondary gain, (days off work, narcs, other meds, attention, disability, boredom, loneliness, entertainment, need a shower or meal or warm place to rest, have nothing to do on a holiday, hypochondiasis, etc etc etc)  We have people w paper cuts come see us!  Sometimes whole families come to be entertained, all with fake complaints&#8230;.   We have patients who get themselves squadded in by 911 for fake chest pain, and request a taxi home after the entertainmenter I mean evaluation.  Lots of patients like to fake chest pain so that a bunch of nurses and doctors scurry around for them&#8230;.  It is all a big game.  Patients pretend to be sick and we pretend to treat them.  My current record is 10 patients in a row lying to me, but that will surely be broken&#8230;  We have patients who come in 2-3 times a week to be entertained by us&#8230;. Until patients pay out of pocket for a substantial portion if not most of every single medical intervention they receive, this &#8220;something for nothing&#8221; charade will continue til it collapses&#8230;.   It would be hilarious if it werent bankrupting the grandkids&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should make the US Federal Government a &quot;To Big To Fail&quot; enterprise.

Yep.... this will put it over the top.  Imagin an entire country dependent on government for it&#039;s daily needs.  Who have we become?

Who voted for these people.  You idiots are entirely off my Christmas list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should make the US Federal Government a &#8220;To Big To Fail&#8221; enterprise.</p>
<p>Yep&#8230;. this will put it over the top.  Imagin an entire country dependent on government for it&#8217;s daily needs.  Who have we become?</p>
<p>Who voted for these people.  You idiots are entirely off my Christmas list.</p>
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		<title>By: pat b</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>pat b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Article in CFO.com is utterly schizophrenic in it&#039;s thinking.
Rosen Resorts spends $2700/YR/Associate now,
but next year will choose to spend $750/Year paying fines.

Why hasn&#039;t Rosen Hotels chosen to spend $0/Yr for the last 20 years?
Businesses offer health benefits to help recruit good staff.
There are lots of Stupidities in the Health Bill but,
this isn&#039;t one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Article in CFO.com is utterly schizophrenic in it&#8217;s thinking.<br />
Rosen Resorts spends $2700/YR/Associate now,<br />
but next year will choose to spend $750/Year paying fines.</p>
<p>Why hasn&#8217;t Rosen Hotels chosen to spend $0/Yr for the last 20 years?<br />
Businesses offer health benefits to help recruit good staff.<br />
There are lots of Stupidities in the Health Bill but,<br />
this isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Bennett</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Bennett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Other horrible side-effects await us if the US population stays as quiet as it is now.   All kinds of drug and equipment companies will lobby and bribe to get their products mandated into the system:   drugs that dont work, or have horrible side-effects could become the only option after paying off the senators from CA, NY, and FL...  horrible soviet-style health equipment wins the contract since the system becomes totally driven by cost (and politics).   The age of manufacturers competing to get into US hospitals would be over as quality and effectiveness lose to well-deployed lobby dollars.     Its difficult to imagine the increase in Washington sleezyness that will occur once the health care bill becomes law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Other horrible side-effects await us if the US population stays as quiet as it is now.   All kinds of drug and equipment companies will lobby and bribe to get their products mandated into the system:   drugs that dont work, or have horrible side-effects could become the only option after paying off the senators from CA, NY, and FL&#8230;  horrible soviet-style health equipment wins the contract since the system becomes totally driven by cost (and politics).   The age of manufacturers competing to get into US hospitals would be over as quality and effectiveness lose to well-deployed lobby dollars.     Its difficult to imagine the increase in Washington sleezyness that will occur once the health care bill becomes law.</p>
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		<title>By: MGardner</title>
		<link>http://dollarcollapse.com/articles/health-care-here-come-the-unintended-consequences/comment-page-1/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>MGardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The obvious solution is to levy a higher penalty, one that is much greater than the current cost. The bottom line is everyone should be covered, and everyone that can pay premiums and/or taxes to fund health care should. Using private services and insurance companies will work fine under a system where everyone participates. The cost of our health care as a percentage of GDP is out of control. We need a competitive system where everyone is covered to get costs down. Allowing insurance companies to cherry-pick healthy folks hasn&#039;t worked, and government insurance (Medicare) is still too costly because the gatekeepers are too lax (think fake claims that no insurance company would put up with).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The obvious solution is to levy a higher penalty, one that is much greater than the current cost. The bottom line is everyone should be covered, and everyone that can pay premiums and/or taxes to fund health care should. Using private services and insurance companies will work fine under a system where everyone participates. The cost of our health care as a percentage of GDP is out of control. We need a competitive system where everyone is covered to get costs down. Allowing insurance companies to cherry-pick healthy folks hasn&#8217;t worked, and government insurance (Medicare) is still too costly because the gatekeepers are too lax (think fake claims that no insurance company would put up with).</p>
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