Comments on: Why We’re Ungovernable http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/ Your Ringside Seat for the Global Financial Crisis Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:11:25 +0000 hourly 1 By: Why We’re Ungovernable: Battle Lines | What Am I Missing Here? http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-4319 Why We’re Ungovernable: Battle Lines | What Am I Missing Here? Thu, 03 Nov 2011 11:14:29 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-4319 [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like the [...] [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like the [...]

]]> By: Why We’re Ungovernable, Part 2: Battle Lines | HoweStreet.com http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-4140 Why We’re Ungovernable, Part 2: Battle Lines | HoweStreet.com Sat, 15 Oct 2011 05:12:54 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-4140 [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like the [...] [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like the [...]

]]> By: Why We’re Ungovernable, Part 2: Battle Lines « SGTreport.com http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-4118 Why We’re Ungovernable, Part 2: Battle Lines « SGTreport.com Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:00:18 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-4118 [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like the [...] [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like the [...]

]]> By: Why We’re Ungovernable, Part 2: Battle Lines | Fall Of The Dollar http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-4115 Why We’re Ungovernable, Part 2: Battle Lines | Fall Of The Dollar Fri, 14 Oct 2011 20:34:42 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-4115 [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like [...] [...] Whoever is in charge gets blamed, and every election becomes a “throw the bums out” event. That this is happening in the developed countries with the most debt — and that US discontent is causing groups like [...]

]]> By: esmith512 http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-1258 esmith512 Sun, 24 Oct 2010 04:13:31 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-1258 ...and I just noticed the date of this thread!! I'm about four months late to this party! …and I just noticed the date of this thread!! I’m about four months late to this party!

]]> By: esmith512 http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-1257 esmith512 Sun, 24 Oct 2010 04:12:26 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-1257 One point that you mention was that wealth was preserved in metals. If you look closely, most people who "own gold" actually own "gold certificates" which can be traced some relationship to a piece of metal somewhere. The likelihood that there are 100 gold certificates all "valued" at $100 for a single $100 piece of gold is probable at this point--a form of fractional reserve and a certificate by fiat--like cash. Also, if there is a currency crash, relatively recent history will imply that possession of and preference for gold-as-currency would be outlawed as it was in the early 1930s in the USA. "Owning gold" (real/physical or fiat/certificate) or other precious metals in the prevailing market mechanics or psychology does not guarantee anything. One point that you mention was that wealth was preserved in metals. If you look closely, most people who “own gold” actually own “gold certificates” which can be traced some relationship to a piece of metal somewhere. The likelihood that there are 100 gold certificates all “valued” at $100 for a single $100 piece of gold is probable at this point–a form of fractional reserve and a certificate by fiat–like cash. Also, if there is a currency crash, relatively recent history will imply that possession of and preference for gold-as-currency would be outlawed as it was in the early 1930s in the USA. “Owning gold” (real/physical or fiat/certificate) or other precious metals in the prevailing market mechanics or psychology does not guarantee anything.

]]> By: tripodXL http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-942 tripodXL Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:30:55 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-942 Bret, Mary et al, I have been growing some of my own food for some time now. I have good years and bad ones...that is the nature of gardening until you gain a lot of experience. It has been a hobby but now it gets serious and I will be hot on it from now on. You would be wise to cultivate (no pun intended) the necessary knowledge and skills to be successful and I will tell you why. First, most D&G scenarios commonly are mitigated happenings, however, as with all insurance policies you spend a lot of money(time and effort) on them hoping that you never need them, but "thank God I had it when I needed it" is what people say if they do. Second, I see the major economic decline of the US for at least 10 years (the optimistic scenario). If your elec bill is $200 now do you think it will be the same in ten years. If it only triples we will be lucky.....only $600 a month. Same for food and so on. This is ONLY if the collapse is slow and ponderous. Ramp it up, say only 5 years! Everything that you can do to save yourselves will be well worth the effort. If there was a major financial collapse it will cause other collapses. Infrastructures, i.e. elec, water, highways, food transport, etc. will be collateral damages of any financial issues. We can't pay the bill for the necessary repairs on what we have, much less building newer and better. The only thing that will be worth anything will be PMs, tangible goods, food, arms and ammo, a secure place to live and the most important will be the life skills that you better develop now.....including gardening. Pay off everything, decrease your unimportant output and prepare to survive and even prosper, if only in a transcendental way through a more low profile but much more enlightening and satisfying homesteading type lifestyle. Best Regards Bret, Mary et al,

I have been growing some of my own food for some time now. I have good years and bad ones…that is the nature of gardening until you gain a lot of experience. It has been a hobby but now it gets serious and I will be hot on it from now on. You would be wise to cultivate (no pun intended) the necessary knowledge and skills to be successful and I will tell you why. First, most D&G scenarios commonly are mitigated happenings, however, as with all insurance policies you spend a lot of money(time and effort) on them hoping that you never need them, but “thank God I had it when I needed it” is what people say if they do. Second, I see the major economic decline of the US for at least 10 years (the optimistic scenario). If your elec bill is $200 now do you think it will be the same in ten years. If it only triples we will be lucky…..only $600 a month. Same for food and so on. This is ONLY if the collapse is slow and ponderous. Ramp it up, say only 5 years! Everything that you can do to save yourselves will be well worth the effort. If there was a major financial collapse it will cause other collapses. Infrastructures, i.e. elec, water, highways, food transport, etc. will be collateral damages of any financial issues. We can’t pay the bill for the necessary repairs on what we have, much less building newer and better. The only thing that will be worth anything will be PMs, tangible goods, food, arms and ammo, a secure place to live and the most important will be the life skills that you better develop now…..including gardening. Pay off everything, decrease your unimportant output and prepare to survive and even prosper, if only in a transcendental way through a more low profile but much more enlightening and satisfying homesteading type lifestyle. Best Regards

]]> By: Jim http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-941 Jim Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:54:39 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-941 Gold is the real and true currency. If payment cannot be made in Gold then economy returns to barter system until gold reserves build up again and gold payments and transactions can be made. US financial system and fiat currency is a giant ponzi scheme that is totally illegal in foundation and working. The federal reserve and bankers are nothing but con artists fooling the American and Eurpoean public. Its time to return to the Gold standard. Load up on guns and ammo...because change is a coming and its going to be a wild wild ride. USA is changing back to the wild wild west! Gold is the real and true currency. If payment cannot be made in Gold then economy returns to barter system until gold reserves build up again and gold payments and transactions can be made.
US financial system and fiat currency is a giant ponzi scheme that is totally illegal in foundation and working. The federal reserve and bankers are nothing but con artists fooling the American and Eurpoean public.
Its time to return to the Gold standard. Load up on guns and ammo…because change is a coming and its going to be a wild wild ride.
USA is changing back to the wild wild west!

]]> By: Mary Wilson http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-940 Mary Wilson Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:32:08 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-940 Bret, You are so right. After trying to grow my own food for one season I learned quickly the value of canned goods. I now laugh at any comment on the internet about growing your own food to survive. Bret,

You are so right. After trying to grow my own food for one season I learned quickly the value of canned goods. I now laugh at any comment on the internet about growing your own food to survive.

]]> By: john of sparta http://dollarcollapse.com/politics-2/why-we%e2%80%99re-ungovernable/#comment-939 john of sparta Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:58:11 +0000 http://dollarcollapse.com/?p=1380#comment-939 try Ferfal's blog on Argentina: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/ his country crashed 10 years ago. No MadMax scenerio. here's what he says you will need: 1. handguns. not rifles. and ammo. all will get really expensive. 2. food. non-perishable. whatever you like, but lots. he likes tuna. 3. money. yeah, money. dollar bills. seems that even in bad times, that old "fiat currency" is good for 10 years' worth of value-added storage capacity. try Ferfal’s blog on Argentina: http://ferfal.blogspot.com/
his country crashed 10 years ago. No MadMax scenerio.
here’s what he says you will need:
1. handguns. not rifles. and ammo. all will get really expensive.
2. food. non-perishable. whatever you like, but lots. he likes tuna.
3. money. yeah, money. dollar bills. seems that even in bad
times, that old “fiat currency” is good for 10 years’ worth
of value-added storage capacity.

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